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Post by steve on Jun 24, 2012 15:36:26 GMT -5
also superman hasn't survived a star exploding in the last 20 years
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Post by wolverinefan on Jun 25, 2012 2:06:02 GMT -5
AND Supes has put down Hulk 3 times and Thor once..Its not a contest Steve,
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Post by wolverinefan on Jun 25, 2012 2:14:12 GMT -5
Well he HAS beaten hulk every time he faced him like it or not steve..took down thor as well..Im a marvel guy...but there is NO CONTEST between Marvel and DC...Marvel is a watered down version by CHOICE. They wanted their heroes more HUMAN...catching colds and such...Hulk is well....INCREDIBLE but he is and will NEVER be Superman. Superman stopped Nuclear Warheads from exploding by SCREAMING!!!! He is unbeatable especially by someone from Marvel. We can talk hypothetically all we want but until somebody from Marvel puts him down it doesnt mean anything. Btw...Supes took down Hulk in Marvel vs DC and Thor in JLA vs Avengers..This isnt Silver age or golden age we are talking current power levels.
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Post by steve on Jun 25, 2012 9:41:22 GMT -5
first off you keep saying 3 times.does that mean you believe the fan voted outcomes as well.if so you think wolverine would beat lobo and storm would beat wonder woman.their was two meaningful fights.one in 1981 when superman had no limits as to what he could do and the second being in 2001 when world war hulk was never even thought of.so its not current power levels.as far as beating thor and some of the avengers.congrats superman gets a cookie for getting the crap kicked out of him by 5 avengers.yes he knocked out thor but do you have any idea how many times hulk has done this.current hulk{who can shatter planets}vs current superman{who can hurl mountains and survive nukes}i guess on this one we will agree to disagee
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Post by wolverinefan on Jun 26, 2012 4:25:51 GMT -5
Yeah but you keep wanting to swing things in marvel's favor as well. It's not just WWHulk against a watered down version of Supes..Ummm and btw never saw hulk knock out thor yet..mostly ends in a draw. Yeah and u make a good point about the fan vote Wolvie beating lobo was ridiculous almost as much as Storm beating Wonder Woman.
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 8:59:40 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMyONIW4DZM&feature=related&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=1&safe=activethats a movie instead of a comic but its hard to show examples off of comics cause the only way to do this is youtube. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKeb20DCekcheres another one and this one is based on a comic no usually thor loses or gets help from the avengers or some other source cause he is losing.as far as me swinging it in marvels favor,your right and you keep swinging it in dc favor.world war hulk has beat just about everyone he has went against.sentry,and the rest of the avengers including thor,black bolt,dr.strange,silver surfer have all lost to him.superman has lost to mongul,black adam,and soloman grundy.just to name a few.so its only natural we aren't going to agree here
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 1, 2012 8:53:53 GMT -5
You can take gladiator Hyperion sentry and roll them all into one and include all powerful world war hulk and Supes still wins. Marvel cant beat him..He's took hulk twice Thor ...Waiting on Surfer and the rest.
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 1, 2012 8:58:01 GMT -5
Supes hasnt lost to black adam or grundy not that im aware.
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 1, 2012 9:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 10:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 10:26:57 GMT -5
you see power levels change to reflect what the writers are trying to accomplish.both in comics,cartoons,and movies.take your superman power levels video for example,first lets go with the cartoon. Superman is capable of enhanced reflex action and the ability to move at incredible speeds by sheer force of will. While not nearly as fast as the Flash (Wally West), Superman can move at speeds much faster than light and is one of the fastest beings in the Universe. Superman can match most other speedsters in their ability to perform super fast movements, reactions, and processes. He can use this power to disarm opponents with or without heightened reflexes, catch bullets or shrapnel or cross vast distances in seconds. Superman can also run at incredible speeds and even keep up with most speedsters; he was seen running steadily alongside the Flash at a speed of 2000 miles per second (around Mach 9350) [340]He has been seen flying from the Moon to the Earth in less than 2 minutes. Superman is so fast that he is even able to vibrate his molecules through blows akin to what the Flash can do as seen in his fight with Doomsday. He has also used the Infinite Mass Punch, another Flash power, by accelerating to just under the speed of light, with his mass increasing to infinty, when he had to destroy a shadow replica of the moon created by Shadow Thief, which had the same mass as the original, (roughly 8.4 billion tons).[341]
so he has flown to the moon and back in under two minutes.{this is straight from the superman page on dc}that is no where near what the cartoon had him do. again writers change power levels so lets stick with comics and not cartoons.
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 10:40:55 GMT -5
secondly,in your video,i find it interesting how old that video looked when it came to him throwing a star and all the other feats of strength supes did.lets get this straight.in the early 80's superman had no strength limit,he had no speed limit.he had no limits period,he just got as strong and as fast and durable as he needed to.{its almost like they gave him current level hulk abilities only it wasn't based off of anger}that was what crisis was for.it gave superman limits.now you have people {like the guy that made that video}bringing up old feats that current superman can't do. The exact magnitude of Superman's strength is unknown. This is because Superman's strength, like his many other powers, has fluctuated over time, however, his strength should effortlessly range into the multi-megaton level at the very least. While the exact magnitude of Superman's strength is unknown, it is generally accepted that his strength easily surpasses the capacity to lift 1,000,000 tons, but how much more is not known exactly. This makes Superman arguably the strongest being on the planet and one of the strongest beings in the universe. Superman has shown feats of strength such as; being seen lifting an enormous pyramid and flying it to Mars without any strain (which can weigh millions and millions of tons depending on their size)[326], being strong enough to be capable of ripping off the arm of the likes of Darkseid and physically defeating him in combat[327], being able to move the planet Earth away from the Sun while a powerful Cosmic Entity, Starbreaker was pushing it toward the Sun[328], and having the strength necessary to shatter entire worlds[329]. Superman has been chained to the endless wheels of the Mageddon machinery and his strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system itself.[330]. He can become "supercharged" and exceed his "normal" power levels as evident when his power absorption ability ran amok which needed the Parasite to drain off his excessive power levels. so with help{from green lantern he is able to move the earth even with starbreaker pushing it.{the sun is over a million times bigger than the earth}he told the lantern afterwards"im going to go to sleep for the next week"
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 11:46:30 GMT -5
also their is physics in that video to.the hulk{who i have already shown you can travel faster than the speed of light}is over 1,150 lbs and is over seven feet tall{varys from seven to eight feet}so hulk would have a reach and size advantage.even if superman is traveling faster he would still be hit first and with more mass behind it.hulk is bigger and if they are both traveling the speed of light{one jumping and one flying}and hulk has the reach advantage than most of said impact would be to supermans face and hulks hand.even if hulk lost his arm in the exchange{it would just heal back}most of that impact would have went to supes face. hmmm. again someone with limits vs someone without.its really that simple. if you want me to agree that supes without limits beats even current hulk than you got it.i agree,if you want me to agree that the last time they fought supes took it,i agree.if you want me to say current supes beats current hulk,not gonna happen because it wouldn't happen.
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 11:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 3, 2012 4:33:18 GMT -5
Current or any level you know Hulk doesnt move speed of light
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