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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 1, 2012 8:41:34 GMT -5
You can talk about powers till your blue in the face bud but show me,,I can back mine up with comics
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 9:31:21 GMT -5
yes and in your world,spiderman dodges supes punches.then gets hit by the goblin,dr.octopus,the lizard and juggernaut.does that mean they are all fast then someone who travels at the speed of light???
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 3, 2012 5:04:12 GMT -5
POWER POWER POWER Steve you act like Marvel is the only universe with those abilities dude. Gladiator in NO WAY matches Flashes speed. As fast superman is its made clear that he isnt the Flash either. and You must be a hulk fan as well..I love the jolly green giant but he is FAR from unbeatable. Hulk can shake the US... Superman has moved PLANETS Now go ahead and come back with was this that was this age or that age well modern age Superman put his butt down again...Hulk cant match him..Hulk has Strength..Strongest in Marvel maybe..nut if you bully the bully he is done!!! Superman is stronger, Faster, and smarter..No contest. Thos is a god wielding a MAGICAL hammer..one of Supes weaknesses..Superman put him down too. Your keep saying a WATERED DOWN version of Avengers..THEY WERE PULLING THE Avengers off the shelves to fight them. Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, She Hulk, Wonderman, Hawkeye, Wasp and AntMan/Giantman, Vision, Hercules, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Miss Marvel. Red Hulk did make an appearance however and from all the Heroes and Villians ASSEMBLED only one stood at the end..YEP!!! Granted he had Cap's Shield & Mjolnir but it was Super Godman himself.
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 3, 2012 5:09:58 GMT -5
They say a picture is worth a thousand words bro...I got mine to back me up
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Post by steve on Jul 4, 2012 9:45:14 GMT -5
gladiator matches superman in every category until he starts losing confidence and he has also beat thor so its not like he loses confidence easily.his very name{kallark}is a combination of clark kent.look it up.someone who gets knocked out by ironman wouldn't beat gladiator.as far as the hulk comments,hulk was walking{took a step}and shook the US.he wasn't even trying and d**n sure didn't have help doing this nor did he say afterwards,he was going to go take a nap for a week.let me see superman moves a planet with lantern helping him hulk shatters a planet superman shatters a moon in one punch} hulk shatters an asteroid twice the size of the earth{in one punch} superman knocks out thor but then gets knocked out by hercules,wonderman,ironman,vision and she hulk hulk beats hulkbuster ironman,hercules,she hulk,ms marvel,samson,luke cage,wonderman,then beats fantastic four with storm,then beats zom possessed dr strange,then beats all avengers at once followed up with knocking out sentry. hmmmm.it seems that ww hulk is stronger.
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Post by steve on Jul 4, 2012 9:50:50 GMT -5
as i said earlier,with that picture your talking about.vision gave his life to save superman and restore his power after radioactive man and solar d**n near killed him.thor threw supes his hammer.so another words it took vision dying to save supes and thor giving him his main weapon for you to get that picture
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Post by steve on Jul 4, 2012 10:05:40 GMT -5
like i said earlier,the avengers had secured the cosmic cube and cap hit it out of quicksilvers hands to batman.{he knew that if the avengers won,it would be the end of their universe}in that crossover,dc lost alot of battles as well.you make it sound like they wiped the floor with marvel heroes.if you read all four comics,you know that she-hulk beat aquaman,you know that ironman knocked out flash and later knocked out green lantern and wonderwoman.you seen matches that both sides one.it wasn't one sided like you make it out
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Post by steve on Jul 4, 2012 18:37:48 GMT -5
as far as the watered down version of the avengers.like i said before,it was an avengers team without sentry,red hulk or hulk.sorry but at least of of those should have been in that match and even without them,they still did good,{won some matches and had the contest won,until cap got bats the cosmic cube}superman himself said he just barely won that match. I agree that marvel is better.I agree that marvel has better stories,its characters are more relate able,I don't agree its because of power levels but rather depth of character and what drives those characters.magneto and xavier are perfect examples of this.their depth is what drives them and one of the things that makes mutants so interesting.you can down the arguement i had about superman power levels but its true.he has limitations when before he did not.you can tell me he beat hulk and i agree with that.what i don't agree with is he could beat ww hulk,surfer,or strange.you can say you have comics to back you up but keep in mind,basing it on powers is a two way street.while i make the arguement that supes will fall to some of marvels characters.i likewise will disagree that ironman can take out green lantern or wonderwoman.the only reason i say current hulk can beat superman is superman limits and hulk has none,also he has shown it takes no time to get to world breaker level.not darkseid,nor mongul,black adam,soloman grundy,or even doomsday has shown strength at this level.if they had they would have just destroyed the earth that supes was on.hulk has done this in the dark dimension and wouldn't do something like destroying a planet unless it was necessary.{at least not on purpose}bottom line,superman has limits and hulk doesn't.
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 20, 2012 2:28:20 GMT -5
Now you just took a watered down version of DC and put it against some of marvel's better characters try this...
Superman vs Hulk....We've seen this 3 times already SUPERMAN WINS Batman vs Captain America....Close match..Bats because he isnt too proud to cheat..Sleeping gas anyone?? Martian Manhunter vs Vision...Both phasers..Manhunter stronger and Mental abilities Wonder Woman vs She Hulk..Good fight that I see WW taking Flash vs Quicksilver....Seriously...Flash in a laugher Zatanna vs Scarlett Witch...Both powerful but maybe Wanda takes this one Green Lantern vs Iron man...Tech vs Will....Lantern's ring can destrroy planets..got my vote. Atom vs Antman....Antman has pym particles that allow growth and shrinkage plus controlling insects..Id give it to Antman. Captain Marvel vs Thor...Saw this too..Great fight but I give it to Thor. Green Arrow vs Hawkeye...experience vs youth..toss up Aquaman vs Sub Mariner...Aquaman won it in the crossover but I give the nod to Namor Firestorm vs Silver Surfer...Both manipulate molecules and matter...surfer Dr Fate vs Dr Strange...Close battle too close for me to call...if forced Id pick strange Some of those are close but could swing to DC as well...
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 20, 2012 2:32:02 GMT -5
As far as Superman having limits what are they?? and Hulk has no limits without BRUCE BANNER..otherwise he has class 100 strength
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Post by steve on Jul 20, 2012 14:22:20 GMT -5
I disagree with you on a couple of those matches.cap and batman are to close to call so i say draw,it could go either way. manhunters mental attacks would be void against vision,plus he has his energy attack as well.could go either way.other than that i agree with you,also based on your own matches and your own outcomes,its a draw
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Post by wolverinefan on Aug 2, 2012 19:50:22 GMT -5
Draw?? Batman uses sleeping gas..Cap cant fight that..Martian Manhunter's mental attacks would most certainly work against Vision. He is an synthazoid but has a mind..its biorythms are Wondermans
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Post by steve on Aug 3, 2012 16:14:39 GMT -5
yes draw.to say that cap has never faced sleeping gas is kinda insulting to cap and marvel as a whole.the problem with both cap and bats is they are constantly doing things that they just couldn't do.i was on a battle site and it was spiderman vs batman with a week prep and people were actually argueing that batman can doge automatic gunfire from twenty feet away and posting scans of him doing it.sorry that would mean batman has better reaction time and speed than spiderman and he doesn't.thats PIS or plot induced stupidity.same with cap surviving a hit from hulk or batman beating hulk.{just because it happens doesn't mean its law,just bad writing}they are equal in every category and it has been debated constantly with neither side really gaining an edge.draw
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