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Post by steve on Jun 29, 2012 21:47:59 GMT -5
pretty interesting huh..kinda makes you wonder about the whole marvel dc thing???all out war marvel takes it
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Post by wolverinefan on Jul 1, 2012 8:37:25 GMT -5
It was interesting..I think flawed but interesting. Galactus has been buffed up to where he is now one of the most powerful beings in existance and yet again steve its all one sided..The guy didnt include any DC characters cause we all know Spectre would be in there
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 9:28:14 GMT -5
know its just marvel entities and the like.dc doesn't have any where near that amount
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 14:01:28 GMT -5
I DON'T GET IT
1.first you say DC is way more powerful and would crush marvel.you say things like darkseid is equal to galactus and superman is equal to darkseid so superman =galactus.you say maybe marvels entities could take him out...MAYBE
than I show you otherwise.I tell you to reread that comic and see that darkseid got his butt handed to him.you agreed.I show you marvel has way more heavy hitters and entities and that we can't use them because dc couldn't counter this.you agreed,marvel has more entities and heavy hitters.I laid out a scenario where all of dc heavy hitters,including thousands of lanterns,would lose to marvel and marvel would still have plenty to go.you didn't respond.I showed you how the surfer could take supes out,you didn't respond.you showed me a fanboy video about supes and i showed you that video isn't even relevant and respond with dc database info both about supes speed and strength.you said,dc has world beaters over and over,
Banner[182], almost breaking the East Coast and threatening to break the whole planet by the emission of energy from his body[147], destroying the Crypto Man after he was boosted with physical strength superior to that of Thor [183], overpowering Thor[184], pushing two spheres of matter and antimatter apart[185], holding together the tectonic plates of a planet[186], overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet[47], destroying a planet in the Dark Dimension after clashing with Red She-Hulk[187], destroying an asteroid twice the size of the planet Earth with a single punch due mainly to his superior toughness and to an impulse generated by the contraction of both legs[188], overcoming a power-draining mechanism which contained much of the combined power of himself, Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer and Namor [189], applying force to the entire space-time structure to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure [120], easily smashing adamantium [169][190], breaking up the space-time continuum [87], ripping off a powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials[191], and to overcome Onslaught's enormous strength[131](who was at least Celestial level in raw power[192]). However, probably his greatest feat was to send concussive energy throughout countless dimensions by the impact of his collision with Ironclad[1
so hulk sent concussive force throughout countless dimensions{sounds better than worlds to me}
and this
¡Matter Control/Manipulation and Reconfiguration / Energy Emission and Absorption: The Surfer has complete control of the four fundamental forces of the universe, reaching nearly any effect he desires. As a result, the Surfer can rearrange matter to create other configurations and can even transmute elements. The Surfer can channel beams of energy through his hands with sufficient destructive force to destroy planets [22][23]. Additional abilities include erecting force fields, phasing through solid matter[24], accelerating the evolution of lifeforms on a planet-wide scale [25] seeing the past by peeling back the layers of time, time travel [26], cast illusions,[27] trans dimensional travel, manipulation and discharging of any form of energy or radiation, bestowing limited cosmic powers to others, reading minds [28] and influencing human emotion and sensation[24]. The Surfer also possesses the ability to suppress the powers of other mutants/beings making them temporarily or permanently out of use to them. He can heal living beings even if they are near-death[24]. He cannot, however, raise the dead.
¡God-like Strength: The Surfer possesses almost limitless superhuman strength, though the exact magnitude remains vague. He can lift (press) far in excess of 100 tons effortlessly and can also use the Power Cosmic to increase his strength to incalculable levels[29].
¡Unlimited Invulnerability: The Silver Surfer's silvery "skin" was designed to easily withstand the rigors of deep-space travel, and thus far, it has proven to be virtually indestructible. In fact, his entire body was made highly resistant to injury and he is thus invulnerable to almost all types of physical harm. The Silver Surfer can easily withstand the crushing pressures of a black hole [30]. He is not bothered by the friction associated with atmospheric re-entry, and has withstood plunges into stars[31] and even supernovas unharmed. He also routinely weathers the stresses associated with high-speed travel through space and hyperspace.
¡God-like Stamina: The Surfer's highly enhanced musculature generates no fatigue toxins, nor body stress, or even sweat, granting him inexhaustible physical stamina, which allows him to fight other beings for prolonged periods of time before tiring, that is if he even gets tired.
¡Hyperspace Travel: By exceeding 99% of the speed of light (186,000 miles per second), the Silver Surfer can shift himself into hyperspace, a dimension in which velocity is not limited by the speed of light[24].
¡Cosmic Senses: The Silver Surfer has certain cosmic-energy enhanced perceptions which enable him through concentration to become aware of the patterns of energy anywhere in the world[32]. These abilities allow him far-ranging vision (in space he can see people clearly over a light year away), the ability to see sub-atomic particles, superhuman hearing, the ability to detect fields, traces, and concentrations of pure forms of energy and discern their natures[33].
¡Cosmic Self-Sustenance: The Silver Surfer does not need to eat or breathe since he absorbs life-maintaining cosmic energy directly through his skin.
so surfer can shatter planets to???
and this
Dr. Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme of Earth's Universe; he has unparalleled mastery of the mystic arts, which he uses to defend his reality from otherworldly threats; his primary magical patrons are a group of entities known as "the Vishanti." The Vishanti are a trinity of godly beings comprised of Agamotto, Hoggoth, and Oshtur. Although he has, on rare occasions, called upon the power of demons such as Dormammu; Strange more frequently did so before he realized Dormammu's true dark nature in the earlier issues. Doctor Strange is potentially the most powerful being on Earth and one of the most powerful beings in the Universe. He has once stated that he can kill a mortal with the twitch of a finger. Eternity, the sentience of the Marvel Universe, has described Strange as "more powerful by far than any of your fellow humanoids", narration has described him as "the mightiest magician in the cosmos", and the Stranger considers him on a level with cosmic entities.
Universal Source: By manipulating the ambient mystical energy of this universe, Dr. Strange can perform a great many functions. Commonly this is seen as energy bolts that range from low power to planet destroying he uses this mystical energy to cast spells of a near infinite variety . . .
¡Intangibility: The ability of Invisibility or Near-Invisibility and Phasing through solid material.
¡Mystic Bolts
¡Banishment: Dr Strange has banish many types of creatures and humans to other dimision but the extent of this is only possible as long as the 'Banish-ers' magic is greater then that of the 'Banish-ees' magic during the banishment.
¡Transmutation
¡Telekinesis
¡Flight: Doctor Strange can fly using magical energy but has since abandon it. (Assumingly for the Cape of Levitation and the wastage of his magic.)
¡Teleportation
¡Protective Shields
¡Time Manipulation: Strange has frozen, slowed, and traveled through time. The limitations of this are only possible through extreme concentration.
¡Dimensional Travel
¡Conjuring of Objects
¡Various other spells: He can also use this mystical energy to cast spells of a near infinite variety. These spells seem to be quicker to perform but lesser in power than spells using divine energy. Strange has used his magics altogether to become alter his clothing through minor molecular control, absorb nearly all forms of energy, control and manipulate elements, Ect.
Dr. Strange has also been shown to amass as much wealth/gold as he desires using magic, as he has done to pay debts.
Divine Sources: Dr. Strange can channel the virtually unlimited extra-dimensional energy of nigh-omnipotent mystical and non-mystical beings in multiple dimensions (known as Principalities) to empower his spells. This can take the form of standard spells ("Crimson Bands of Cyttorak") or just stating what he wants to occur and channeling some being to make it happen. It is unknown at this time what debt, if any, he incurs by invoking the powers that be. There is no strict quid pro quo (as the simple acknowledgement and invoking of the entity increases the entity's own powers, inexplicably), though some entities will feel he is obliged to heed their call when they need help in their conflicts as did the Vishanti.
This ability to be a conduit to multiversal power sources has given rise to the phrase "Dr. Strange is as powerful as the god he invokes."
Doctor Strange's powers typically come from one of three divine sources: The Vishanti (a trinity formed of Hoggoth, Oshtur, and Agamotto), the Octessence (a group of eight beings, consisting of Balthakk, Cyttorak, Farallah, Ikonn, Krakkan, Raggadorr, Valtorr, and Watoomb) and other beings who owe him a debt (this includes Satannish and even Dormammu). However, certain abilties of his stem from more obscure sources, such as the Faltine, the Seraphim, Cinnibus, Sheol, Ikthalon, Denak, Cyndriarr, Munnopor, Morpheus, Dyzakk, the Olympian deities (such as Poseidon and Hades) and others.
Darkness of the Divine Conduit (Black Magic): By sheer force of will "take" the power of another entity. This does not require the use of a spell. He used this ability against Arioch and Shuma-Gorath. The fact that Stephen can do this is a testament to his incredible will-power and strength of mind. This is considered black magic and as such he rarely employs this. Also when taking the powers of celestial entities he absorbs the mind and assumes their duties and roles in the dimension in which they exist. If his will falters, he can lose all sense of self.
Although Dr. Strange primarily uses spells that are considered 'white magic', he will use spells from other disciplines such as black magic, elemental magic, and catastrophe magic when necessary.
planet destoying energy blasts and banishments??hmmm
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 14:13:28 GMT -5
their are three characters that are more than world beaters,more than world destroyers.
let me see,sending concussive force throught countless dimensions,create and live in black holes,
¡By force of will, Dr. Strange can "take" the power of another entity. This does not require the use of a spell. He uses this ability against Captain Universe as well as against Arioch and Shuma-Gorath in Strange Tales (vol. 2). Strange also uses this to drain the Wrecking Crew of the Asgardian magic they had been infused by Karnilla, though this causes him great mental agony and takes a long time. This is considered black magic and as such, he rarely employs this. Also, when taking the powers of omnipotent entities, he can absorb their mind and assume their duties and roles in the dimension in which they exist. But, if his will falters, he can lose all sense of self.
and yet they don't get ant credit??
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 14:25:01 GMT -5
i showed you marvel has more than world beaters.you watched a video of over 50 powerful gods and entities.people that create and destroy entire galaxies.let me guess,dc has more powerful right???multiple regular characters that shatter planets,doesn't matter does it??I showed you hulk has no limit to his strength.you seen the video and said its one sided because he didn't include spectre??the video was about marvel gods and entities,if it had dc entities it would have been 20-30 seconds longer.thats how few they have.
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 14:32:20 GMT -5
i showed you basing powers on what writers say means it always fluctuates and never has any real continuity.{green goblin and anyone who has ever hit spiderman is now faster than superman}I flipped alot of your logic showing you that if superman was anywhere near our entity level in powers than a whole planet of them wouldn't have been destroyed,doesn't matter though does it??
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 14:34:52 GMT -5
I even showed you that superman is no where near what he was in terms of power by one of his own writers.doesn't matter though does it???
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 14:48:22 GMT -5
as I said before.stalemate.
you bring up that crossover and every crossover{their has only been a few}and state that dc is more powerful and yet even with the justice league crossover,marvel has to take out several heavy hitters{hulk,red hulk,sentry}you don't see the irony in this???you don't see a crossover that was announced in the early 80s that took decades let me show you the light
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 15:13:01 GMT -5
In 1979, DC and Marvel agreed to co-publish a crossover series involving the two teams, to be written by Gerry Conway and drawn by George Pérez. The plot of the original crossover was a time travel story involving Marvel's Kang the Conqueror and DC's Lord of Time. Writer/editor Roy Thomas was hired to script the book, based on Conway's plot,[2] and although work had begun on the series in 1981 (Pérez had penciled 21 pages by mid-1983) and it was scheduled for publication in May 1983,[3] editorial disputes - reportedly instigated by Marvel Editor-In-Chief Jim Shooter - prevented the story from being completed.[4][5] The failure of the JLA/Avengers book also caused the cancellation of a planned sequel to the 1982 The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans crossover.[5]
An agreement was reached between the two companies in 2002, with a new story to be written by Kurt Busiek and drawn by George Pérez. In a joint panel at WonderCon 2000, Busiek (then writer of the Avengers title) and Mark Waid (then writer of the JLA title) stated they had nearly come to an agreement to begin the crossover within the regular issues of the respective titles but the two companies could not come to a business arrangement. When the series was approved, however, Waid was unavailable due to an exclusive commitment with company CrossGen, and Busiek became the sole writer on the project.[6] Perez also had an exclusive commitment with CrossGen, but had had a clause written into his contract allowing him to do the series if and when it was approved.
The series was reprinted by DC Comics in 2005 as a two-volume collector's edition hardcover (which included for the first time the original 1983 Pérez penciled pages), and then re-released as a trade paperback in November 2008.
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 15:23:37 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Conwayso you had a plot that alot was written by a guy who was not only a marvel guy but wrote for the justice league for 8 years.hmmm and right after wards kurt busiek{the guy who finished the comic} signed a two year deal with dc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Busiekagain nothing but politics.this is what you base everything on.
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 15:27:26 GMT -5
they beat a watered down version of the avengers and the plot was mostly written by a guy who worked writing the justice league for 8 years.than the marvel guy who finished it out went to work for dc.it was also published by dc.hmmmm
do you see anything odd about that???
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 15:30:38 GMT -5
i didn't see stan lee's name on that anywhere did you??this will end in a stalemate with neither of us convincing the other
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2012 17:28:18 GMT -5
He co-created the characters Firestorm with artist Al Milgrom[13] and Steel, the Indestructible Man with artist Don Heck[14] in the premiere issues (both March 1978) of the respective titular comics.[4] He additionally co-created the characters Vibe and Gypsy.[15] As writer of Batman #337-359 (July 1981 - May 1983) and the feature "Batman" in Detective Comics #497-526 (Dec. 1980 - May 1983), he introduced the characters Killer Croc[16] and Jason Todd,[17] the latter of whom became the second Robin, succeeding original sidekick thingy Grayson.[4]
Conway was a frequent collaborator with Roy Thomas. Together they wrote a two-part Superman-Shazam team-up in DC Comics Presents #33-34 (May–June 1981); the Atari Force and Swordquest mini-comics packaged with Atari 2600 video games; and three Justice League of America-Justice Society of America crossovers.[18][19] Conway contributed ideas to the funny animal comic Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew!, created by Thomas and Scott Shaw.[20] Thomas and Conway were to be the co-writers of the JLA/Avengers intercompany crossover,[21] but editorial disputes between DC and Marvel caused the project's cancellation.[22]
Thomas and Gerry Conway collaborated on the screenplays for two movies: the animated feature Fire and Ice (1983) and Conan the Destroyer (1984).[39] In that latter year, Shooter wrote in 2011, Thomas sent him a letter on May 14 in which he hoped
...to let bygones be bygones, and if possible, to avoid adverse comment on Marvel and its policies. I’ve even long regretted the fact that your elevation to the position of editor-in-chief, in which you’ve obviously done a fine job, came at a time after I’d moved to the West Coast. Perhaps if we’d had more personal communication from 1977 to 1980, we could have come to some sort of agreement at that time or at least parted under more amicable circumstances. I leave it to you to decide if we should ever make any attempt to rectify that situation; certainly I’ve never been a grudge-carrier in other cases....[40]
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