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Post by wolverinefan on Jun 26, 2012 3:53:31 GMT -5
Superhuman Strength: The exact magnitude of Superman's strength is unknown. This is because Superman's strength, like his many other powers, has fluctuated over time, however, his strength should effortlessly range into the multi-megaton level at the very least. While the exact magnitude of Superman's strength is unknown, it is generally accepted that his strength easily surpasses the capacity to lift 1,000,000 tons, but how much more is not known exactly. This makes Superman arguably the strongest being on the planet and one of the strongest beings in the universe. Superman has shown feats of strength such as; being seen lifting an enormous pyramid and flying it to Mars without any strain (which can weigh millions and millions of tons depending on their size)[326], being strong enough to be capable of ripping off the arm of the likes of Darkseid and physically defeating him in combat[327], being able to move the planet Earth away from the Sun while a powerful Cosmic Entity, Starbreaker was pushing it toward the Sun[328], and having the strength necessary to shatter entire worlds[329]. Superman has been chained to the endless wheels of the Mageddon machinery and his strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system itself.[330]. He can become "supercharged" and exceed his "normal" power levels as evident when his power absorption ability ran amok which needed the Parasite to drain off his excessive power levels.
Stremgth to shatter ENTIRE WORLDS..there u go. Moving the gears of a machine that Dwarfed the enite EARTH/MOON SYSTEM itself...
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Post by wolverinefan on Jun 26, 2012 3:58:58 GMT -5
Now how much damage he can take...
Invulnerability: Superman's body is nigh-invulnerable. This ability's levels have changed over time. He has taken a blast equivalent to a million nuclear war heads point blank and remained conscious[331]. Currently he is even more durable than in the past. He has entered the Sun and emerged completely unharmed[332], he has even traveled through Krypton's Red Sun and survived physically unharmed, even though Red Solar Radiation depowers and weakens him[333]. He has been seen to skirt the photosphere of the sun (100,000,000 degrees F). Superman has even been shown withstanding Darkseid's Omega Beams, a feat that was previously considered impossible. Superman was able to survive the nuclear destruction of the entire moon in the year 2995 when he was stuck in the future. The moon had been lined with sufficient nuclear devices to disintegrate it in one shot and Superman was in the center and survived without being hurt at all[334]. Superman has withstood 3 particle beams, each powered by the core of a planet, fired at him. One of these planet-powered beams was a plasma beam capable of leveling a huge city a few times over entirely with a single blast[335]. Most likely his greatest feat of durability recently, is that he was recently able to withstand the destructive power of a Sun exploding and going Nova (A result of Brainiac’s technology.) at point blank range to the planet he was on (Which was eradicated by the force of the explosion with the rest of the surrounding system.) and survived without any visible physical damage although the explosion did knock him out[336]. In addition, his immune system protects him from all toxins and diseases. The reason for this is because Superman possesses a super-dense molecular structure and a supercharged bio electric "aura" which acts as an invisible "force field" around his body within a few millimeters from his skin. The proximity of this field to his skin means that loose clothes, for example, may be burned off of him, while cloth that is close to his body is protected by the "aura;" This phenomenon is sometimes cited as Superman's reason for wearing a skin-tight bodysuit. It is sometimes implied that he can unconsciously extend this field to an undetermined extent to protect a greater area, allowing him to carry huge objects within the Earth's atmosphere and without gravity or inertia tearing them apart around his human-sized hands.
The planet he was on was destroyed but he was unharmed...hmmmmm
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Post by wolverinefan on Jun 26, 2012 4:01:11 GMT -5
We can't forget this either..IMP Anyone??
Superhuman Speed: Superman is capable of enhanced reflex action and the ability to move at incredible speeds by sheer force of will. While not nearly as fast as the Flash (Wally West), Superman can move at speeds much faster than light and is one of the fastest beings in the Universe. Superman can match most other speedsters in their ability to perform super fast movements, reactions, and processes. He can use this power to disarm opponents with or without heightened reflexes, catch bullets or shrapnel or cross vast distances in seconds. Superman can also run at incredible speeds and even keep up with most speedsters; he was seen running steadily alongside the Flash at a speed of 2000 miles per second (around Mach 9350) [340]He has been seen flying from the Moon to the Earth in less than 2 minutes. Superman is so fast that he is even able to vibrate his molecules through blows akin to what the Flash can do as seen in his fight with Doomsday. He has also used the Infinite Mass Punch, another Flash power, by accelerating to just under the speed of light, with his mass increasing to infinty, when he had to destroy a shadow replica of the moon created by Shadow Thief, which had the same mass as the original, (roughly 8.4 billion tons).[341]
8.4 BILLION tons....Shattered with one hit
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Post by wolverinefan on Jun 26, 2012 4:08:50 GMT -5
Let's not forget....
Strength level Class 100+; the exact magnitude of Superman's strength is unknown but he has demonstrated that his strength is so vast, that he is capable of even moving an object as large as a planet. This ability to move large objects suggests that his apparent strength may be partially psionic in nature due to the laws of physics which place clear limits on a human-sized object moving a planetary-sized one. (Superman would tend to go-through such a body before he could impart a motion to it because of his small size relative to such a body and the essential 'granular' nature of a planets composition. Also, when Superman is shown lifting an object such as a large building, if native strength was all that he employed in the effort, the building would crumble under its own weight.)
.....able to move PLANETS!!! now don't forget that He's got a whole super family that is just as ridiculous as he is..Supergirl and Powergirl etc..Also Wonder Woman is almost on par with Supes in strength..Not to mention Captain Marvel (Shazaam) he is nearly equal to Supes as well and has a whole faction with him as well and Black Adam as well. Marvel vs DC is an awesome fight. but until they allow DC to lose one I don't see it ever happening. Like I said WORLD BEATERS..Their more Powerful heroes and villians are on par with some of our dieties
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Post by wolverinefan on Jun 26, 2012 4:31:24 GMT -5
Let's not forget WONDER WOMAN....
Superhuman Strength: Granted by Demeter (Goddess of the Earth). Diana is literally as strong as the Earth because of her link to the planet granted to her by Demeter. She is said to be 'stronger than Hercules'. It is obvious her strength is magical in nature, given her height and weight. Wonder Woman is known to be one of the strongest beings in the DCU, often shown to be in the same class as Superman himself and to physically over-match other beings such as Supergirl without too much effort. She is considered to be the strongest superheroine in the world. She has godlike strength and also invulnerability due to her aegis-made shield magic bracelets. With her superhuman strength and superior fighting abilities, she has proven to be able to take on any other member of the Justice League in combat. In the events of Justice League: League of One, she was able to defeat even the other six main members through a combination of planning and power in order to save their lives and the world. She is strong enough to lift weights well into the megaton range and even pull 1/3 of the earth.
...We are talking people that move WORLDS not just 100 tons
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 10:58:59 GMT -5
alright,all good points.some of those feats were prior to 1986 and when he got limits put on him and it wasn't just superman moving the planet but green lantern helping him but ok.my turn strength Professor X attempted to slow down the angered Hulk with intense power; however, the Hulk proved to be resistant to the Professor's psionic effects[citation needed]. The Green Scar reached a new level of anger at the end of World War Hulk, after his fellow Warbound Miek attempted to provoke him to destroy the world. At this level, he started to release huge amounts of gamma energy from within his body, devastating New York, and causing quakes across North America. It would have taken but a couple of footsteps from the Hulk to completely destroy the eastern seaboard. If he had not let himself be stopped, then he definitely would have lived up to his "Worldbreaker" title, and would have completely destroyed the Earth. After World War Hulk, Banner suppressed the Green Scar, preventing him from surfacing. He momentarily reappeared in battle with the Hulk's son Skaar, still identifying himself as the "Worldbreaker". He seems to have resurfaced after Bruce regained his Hulk powers, his anger tempered from its "Worldbreaker" levels by another confrontation with Skaar, and was proven even strong enough to take down the Red Hulk without much of a fight. The Hulk recently lived up to his "Worldbreaker" title by destroying a world (from the huge amounts of gamma energy he was releasing) in the Dark Dimension in Incredible Hulk Part 4.Among his most amazing feats are supporting a falling 150 billion ton mountain using leverage[180], ripping through a bunker designed to withstand the explosion of thousands of megatons in magnitude[181], eventually overpowering the Invisible Woman, the Thing and the Human Torch[182], matching the Scarlet Witch (prior to House of M) and Wonder Man, Iron Man and Vision, while the narration establishes that the Hulk's power is greater than their combined might[183], matching the Super Adaptoid who had acquired strength and durability of a hundred heroes like Iron Man and the Vision[184], closing the doors to a nuclear core that Thor and the Thing together could not budge[141], reflecting Gladiator's ocular beams back into both eyes, and knocking him unconscious[185], knocking the Silver Surfer out with three blows[186], matching two Avengers teams during a prolonged period of time despite becoming gradually weaker due to his physical separation from Banner[187], almost breaking the East Coast and threatening to break the whole planet by the emission of energy from his body[153], destroying the Crypto Man after he was boosted with physical strength superior to that of Thor [188], overpowering Thor[189], pushing two spheres of matter and antimatter apart[190], holding together the tectonic plates of a planet[191], overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet[53], destroying a planet in the Dark Dimension after clashing with Red She-Hulk[192], destroying an asteroid twice the size of the planet Earth with a single punch due mainly to his superior toughness and to an impulse generated by the contraction of both legs[193], overcoming a power-draining mechanism which contained much of the combined power of himself, Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer and Namor [194], applying force to the entire space-time structure to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure [126], easily smashing adamantium [174][195], breaking up the space-time continuum [93], ripping off a powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials[196], and to overcome Onslaught's enormous strength[137](who was at least Celestial level in raw power[197]). However, probably his greatest feat was to send concussive energy throughout countless dimensions by the impact of his collision with Ironclad[198]yep you read that right.COUNTLESS DIMENSIONS.hulk has no limit to his strength.we are talking about Dimensions and not worlds.
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 11:13:04 GMT -5
durability : In addition to great strength, the Hulk's body possesses a high degree of resistance to injury. The Hulk's skin is impervious to conventional blades, adamantium and vibranium being amongst the very few metals that are truly capable of piercing his skin. The Hulk is capable of withstanding high caliber bullets, powerful explosives, pressures extremes, falls from orbital heights [201][202], maximized heat without blistering, maximized cold without freezing, and great impacts. The Hulk has withstood the impact of a ground zero nuclear explosion [79][203][204][105][205][206] and also the Human Torch's Nova Blast [207][177], with a temperature of one million degrees Fahrenheit, without any injury. The Hulk was also able to withstand a planet-devastating impact near of the event[208], a planet-shattering impact at point blank range[193], and a mighty blast from Galactus[209]. The Hulk's durability, like his strength, is fueled by rushes of adrenaline while angry[200]. yep the hulk took a full on blast from galactus and planet shattering impact at point blank range and is still around.hmmm seems like hulk is no push over in this department either.darkseid{who is on par with thanos} blasting superman with omega beams vs galactus{who eats worlds and has destroyed entire galaxies}blasting hulk.hmmm
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 11:22:46 GMT -5
Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his high resistance to physical harm, it is possible to cause the Hulk injury. However, the Hulk is capable of regenerating damaged or destroyed areas of his body (including limbs, internal organs, and even his head)[210], with far greater speed and efficiency than an ordinary human. For example, during a battle with Vector, part of the skin and muscle mass of the Hulk were d**nified. It took the Hulk few minutes to regain the mass and be completely healed[211]. The Hulk's healing factor also enables him to revert any physical transmutation[212][213][214][215][178]. He also heals faster and more efficiently the madder he gets[200].so it doesn't take months to heal from extreme damage{like when superman fought doomsday and was killed}and he heals faster the angrier he gets.sounds like the longer he fights someone the more of a disadvantage that opponent has
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 12:50:02 GMT -5
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 12:55:07 GMT -5
as far as the 8.4 billion tons of the moon duplicate that was shattered in one punch.how much would an asteroid twice the size of the earth weigh??hulk shattered it in one hit.so it kinda voids out the moon shattering thing
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 13:03:56 GMT -5
lets not forget the surfer. The Silver Surfer wields the Power Cosmic, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, senses and the ability to absorb and manipulate the universe's ambient energy for a variety of effects.[citation needed] The Surfer can navigate through interstellar space,[citation needed] dimensional barriers,[citation needed] and hyperspace, which he can enter to exceed the speed of light when flying on his board,[59] and has even proven capable of time travel on several occasions, even able to make others time-travel with him.[60] The Surfer sustains himself by converting matter into energy; does not require food, water, air, or sleep (although he occasionally enters a sleep-like meditation in order to dream); and can survive within nearly any known natural environment, including deep space, hyperspace, and even within black holes[61] and stars.[62] The Surfer can analyze and manipulate matter and energy,[citation needed] and molecularly restructure or animate matter at will such as causing vegetation to grow much quicker,[citation needed] even transmuting elements or creating objects.[citation needed] He can also project energy in various forms for offensive and defensive use, including the erection of force shields,[citation needed] bolts of cosmic force powerful enough to destroy entire planets,[63][64] and create black holes.[citation needed] He can utilize the Power Cosmic to augment his superhuman strength to indeterminate levels.[65] The Surfer can heal living organisms, though he cannot raise the dead,[59] and he has proven capable of revitalizing and evolving organic life on a planet-wide scale.[66] He can alter the size of himself or of other matter,[citation needed] cast illusions,[67] create interdimensional portals and microverses,[67] phase through solid matter, [59] and exercise some level of control over the Astral Plane.[68] His senses enable him to detect objects and concentrations of energy light years away and to perceive matter and energy in subatomic detail, including life energies of living beings.[69] The Surfer can even see through time, and with concentration he can achieve limited perception of past and future events in his general vicinity.[70] He has demonstrated telepathic ability, including mind-reading on occasion,[71] and has proven to be able to influence human emotion and sensation.[59] The Surfer's board is composed of a nearly impervious, cosmically powered silvery material that is similar to his own skin. The board is mentally linked to the Surfer and moves in response to his mental commands even when he is not in physical contact with it.[72] The board is nearly indestructible, but on those rare occasions when it has been damaged or destroyed, the Surfer has proven able to repair it, or even recreate it, with little effort.[33] The Surfer can attack opponents remotely by directing the board against them, and the board is capable of absorbing and imprisoning other beings, at least temporarily.[73] When Galactus exiled the Surfer to Earth, his means of imprisonment was linked to the board. When the Surfer and the Fantastic Four realized this, the Surfer put it to the test by leaving the board planet-side and entering space in the Four's spacecraft. Once he was free of Earth, the Surfer remotely converted the board to energy, recalled it to him, and reformed it in space.[33] Norrin Radd also possesses some knowledge of the advanced alien technology of the planet Zenn-La.
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 13:10:10 GMT -5
lets also take into account franklin richards Franklin is a mutant who possesses the power to warp reality, i.e., to make any thought or desire come to fruition, even up to a cosmic scale; conjunctively, he is able to rearrange the molecular structure of matter. In a remarkable display of power, Franklin subconsciously created his own pocket universe, encompassing a virtual replica of Earth-616. As a result, several cosmic entities, including Galactus, Eternity, and Infinity, as well as Omniversal Guardian Roma and Omniversal Majestrix Opal Luna Saturnyne, began to take notice of Franklin's tremendous gifts,[33] going so far to describe him as a "being whom the Celestials felt was on par with themselves."[34] In addition to reality and molecular manipulation, Franklin has vast psionic powers that have manifested as telepathy, telekinesis, energy blasts of concussive force, precognition, and astral projection. Being a child, however, Franklin's abilities are restricted to an extent by his limited control. Moreover, it remains unclear what power levels Franklin will ultimately achieve as an adult, as several future incarnations from alternate realities as well as the mainstream Marvel universe have been shown to vary in power. One such manifestation of Franklin in adult form was able to destroy two Celestials from Earth-4280 during physical combat; in the aftermath of their defeat, Franklin's immortality was strongly implied. The same individual also tapped into the power of his younger self to resurrect and transform Galactus into his own personal herald.[35][36] In terms of unrealized potential, Franklin is generally considered to be the most powerful Earth-bound mutant in the Marvel Universe.[37
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 13:28:19 GMT -5
what about gladiator Gladiator possesses tremendous physical strength, the exact limits of which are unknown. He is one of the physically strongest beings to exist in the Universe as he has shattered planets with the mere force of his blows, and can collapse entire Stars with his level of strength. His strength level is dependent on his confidence; as such the more confident he is, the stronger he gets. He has demonstrated several astounding feats of strength such as defeating Colossus with relative ease, matching Hulk's strength in battle, overpowering Hyperion and knocking him unconscious by breaking his back. Gladiator is capable of moving at speeds in excess of light. He has used his speed to blizt Thor in one of their encouters. The level of his speed depends on his confidence. Superhuman Stamina: Gladiator possesses extraordinary physical stamina. His muscles generate considerably less fatigue toxins then the musculature of human beings or most other known beings for that matter. Gladiator is able to exert himself at peak capacity for at least several days before the build up of fatigue toxins in his blood begins to impair him.
Invulnerability: Gladiator's bodily tissues are much tougher and far more resistant to physical injury than those of human beings. He can withstand high caliber bullets, survive in space unaided, powerful concussive blasts, falls from tremendous heights, and blows from powerful superhumans such as the Hulk without sustaining injury. Gladiator is also highly resistant to extreme temperatures, particularly intense heat. He has shown himself to be capable of flying through stars completely unharmed, and has actually withstood the explosive power of a supernova unharmed. The level of his durability depends on his confidence.
Superhuman Agility: Gladiator's natural balance, agility, and body coordination are enhanced to levels that are beyond the natural physical limits of even the finest human athlete.
Superhuman Reflexes: Gladiator's reflexes are similarly heightened and are superior to those of the finest human athlete. Flight: By harnessing and manipulating the anti-gravitons, Gladiator is able to defy gravity which enables him to fly. Gladiator's flight speed rivals those of the fastest known starships, and can achieve faster than light speeds in hyperspace. He has been observed flying with 100 times the speed of light, flying from Pluto to Earth in a matter of seconds.
Heat Beams: Gladiator is capable of firing highly concentrated beams of energy from his eyes. These beams are capable of reaching extremely high temperatures. The maximum temperature his beams can reach is unknown but they can reach temperatures hotter than that of Stars as they were shown able to burn through Hulk's skin. The temperature level of his heat beams depends on his confidence. Microscopic Vision: Gladiator possesses the ability to see extremely small objects and images beyond sub atomic level.
Super Breath: Thanks to his incredible lung capacity, Gladiator is also able to draw in large amounts of air and then expel it all to create gale and hurricane force winds. He can also chill his breath to freeze targets.
Psi Resistance: Gladiator is capable of causing a counter-force against telepathic assaults and probes. However, telepaths of sufficient power are capable of penetrating his psionic defenses to an extent. and his strength is able to lift well in excess of 100 tons.that is just where marvel says their not going to specify anything greater than 100 tons.that doesn't mean their characters can't lift anything greater then that.
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 13:40:13 GMT -5
you see this is getting us nowhere.i can counter everything you post with something from marvel.i didn't include scarlet witch,jean grey as the pheonix,hope summers or a whole host of others,all of which are either powerful reality warpers or just extremely powerful.marvel beats them in the entity department as well.even if you were well versed in the dc universe and you knew all their entities you would see marvel beats them their as well.
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Post by steve on Jun 26, 2012 13:46:32 GMT -5
i do enjoy these debates with you
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